Anyone who abuses alcohol long enough or heavily enough eventually will have problems with memory. The functioning alcoholic will have memory problems. His memory problems are simply less severe than those of the skid-row alcoholic.
As with other toxins excessive use of alcohol destroys brain cells. If the alcohol abuse goes on long enough, eventually it may show up in deteriorating memory, particularly short-term memory.
The first short-term memory problems usually show up long before the drinker begins to have alcoholic blackouts.
Alcoholic blackouts may be an indication that the brain damage is getting more severe. As his alcoholism progresses, the alcoholic will eventually begin to notice gaps in his memory. He cannot remember how he got home last night. He may not remember even where he was drinking last night, or who he was with. This does not mean that he was not aware of what he was doing; he was perfectly aware at the time, but he just can’t remember.
I have often characterized self-medication with alcohol as voluntary dissociation. The functioning alcoholic drinks to split off from the reality of his life, his pain or his feelings of inadequacy. When he enters that altered state he feels better. The problem is that he has become addicted to alcohol over time. Now he simply needs alcohol to feel at all OK.
When people are in dissociated states, with or without alcohol, they are simply not there. So when you tell them something when they are in their altered state, they may not have any recollection of what you told them when they come back to reality. And because they typically don’t realize they were mentally somewhere else, they get defensive and often angry. They may accuse you of lying or holding things from them.
Whether the deteriorating memory in the functional alcoholic is the result of brain damage or dissociation or, more probably, both, it should be taken as a symptom of advancing alcoholism.
If you are a functioning alcoholic and those around you are complaining about your memory problems, get whatever help you need to break your addiction and stop things from getting worse. Take it from someone who has been there: there is life after booze.
If you are a family member of a functioning alcoholic, do seek help yourself, lest you slip into a debilitating codependency role. Going to an Al-Anon meeting might be a good place to start.
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Dr. Neill,
I have been reading some of the information regarding alcoholism as I have been living with one in the past. It has been extremely helpful. Thank you very much.
Gina Strong
this site is very useful for who taking alcohol
Dr. Neill: I stumbled across your site and was wondering if you could help me. I am a mess. Lived with my boyfriend for 7 years, and he was an alcoholic. When he did not work, he started drinking at 10:00 a.m. everyday, 7 days a week. He worked everyday ex. the winter truck driver.
He was never violent towards me, but if I would ask of more from him, ie, lets go for a walk, could you hold me hand, he would get very angry. It got so bad at the end, when the family ganged up on me and he in his drunken state told me to get out. (It was his condo,)He conned me into selling everything, as he had all the furniture, condo, already. He then boat a 80,000. fishing boat, 50,000 GT convertible ford mustang.
After I left, he was in bed with a girl 3 weeks later, (I drove by and saw them at 11:30p.m. and she starting spending every weekend with him. He married her 6 months later. She has a beautiful home (like I did)gone. he moved in with her and has his condo up for sale and now her house is up for sale.
Anyways, he told me he will never stop drinking. He loves it. He only drinks beer on weekends, beer all day then rum or vodka at night. I am a social drinker with him, but stopped the last year with him. I have never smoked. He smokes like a chimney and now his new wife smokes, and apparently drinks too. (I don’t know if she is a social drinker like I was). I never drank until I hooked up with him by the way and then I did not even touch the stuff the last year with him.
I am devastated, humilated, I thought he loved me. Why did he marry her? I called him a drunk 3 times to his face 1 week before he and his family threw me out. I could go on and on and I don’t know where to turn. I have no benefits and can’t afford a therapist. What did I do wrong and why did he marry her. Will his behaviour with her be the same and did he love her so much to marry her? I wish and pray that she will wake up and kick him out just to make me feel better. I know he is an alcoholic, but he works and is very the biggest con – I didn’t even see it coming. What do you make of this mess. I only gave you a few details. Thank you for listening and God Bless. Patty
Dear patty,
How could either you or his new wife, acting in good faith and love, expect to match wits the “very biggest con?” He married her for the same reason he married you. He needs someone who will support him in his drinking. When you stopped, you were removed.
She may be the one to kick him out, but there could be a few more wives over the years before someone does.
Read the report “Addiction and Codependency Simplified” to get a better grasp of why you are still holing on. Better yet, read my book.
The important thing for you is to choose to do what you need to do to learn from this, heal from this and move on.
You might get some help from joining a free grief support group, because you are grieving.
Neill
This is a wonderful opinion. The things mentioned are unanimous and needs to be appreciated by everyone.
Pharel
Hello, just a quick comment.
Can alcoholism cause, when not under the influence, memory loss, anxiety, inability to concentrate just overall feeling strange and unable to think clearly?
Yes, it can do all those things. But over time, after months or years without alcohol, the brain seems to be able to heal from a lot of the brain damage caused by the alcohol.
This page is pretty good Doc, I like the work you do. Alas, now i have a question. I’m a combat veteran,one who has actaully seen some pretty messed up things due to the fact I do the medical from advanced trauma life support to immunization. I’ve been through quite a few rpgs and IEDs while deployed most likey suffering from a few TBIs.here in lies my problem. That when being evalutated for them ,due to my training, i knew exactly what they wanted to hear to clear me for another patrol, so thats what i told them.I had no issues while deployed other than some pretty bad emotional issues with loss in country and with my now ex wife.Now after i came home from the second deployment i picked up drinking heavily then taper it my self and chose to get help.I was considered a “binge drinker” because id only drink mabe once or twice every two weeks. I had memory problems before i got into the larger consuption amounts, but i was able to manage, though it still was stressful doing all the work I needed to do. Soon after all this my memory had gotten worse and i had fallen an hit my head a few times while intoxicated. I still to this day don’t really have “hang overs” but i have managed a BAC of .12 six hours after i had passed a sobriety and compentecy test.During some of these black outs some of my Marines had stated how i was perfectly calm laughing and joking with everyone to behaving erract and violently towards them with no obvious threat werbal or physical torwards me. I have seen this before in some people, but not completely similar to my case.There were never any hard feelings in the morning from them an i tend to not have a recollection of the incidents.I was looking for more insight by the effects of alcohol,and the causes it may bring. I’m just hoping its the alcohol that had cause the emotional outburst and not things in my past from “war”.I have also been diagnosed with PTSD something more common these days, but ive never been one to take medication even though I give it. I thank you for any help you can give.
Ran across your site while doing research. Long story short: my best friend of 30 years is a functioning alcoholic, a binge drinker of 24 years’ experience. He’s one of those guys who’s the life of the party; but the party has been going for more than 20 years, and it’s starting to show. He’s aging rapidly and is showing increasing signs of foregetfulness.
All of his friends and I have tried an intervention at one time or another, to no avail. He knows he has a problem, but refuses to do anything about it. He is not going to stop until he hits bottom. Like most functioning alcoholics, however, he’s very clever: he has arranged his life so that he has few responsibilities and has plenty of free time to drink. After being rebuffed, we’re all standing back and waiting for the crash.
It shouldn’t be long now, though. Your description of impairment and memory loss fits him to a T. Soon will come the blackouts, and we’re all getting prepared.
Thanks for a great resource.
Hello Dr. Neill!
First I would like to say that Iam reading your book “Living with the functioning alcoholic” Prior to reading your book, I already knew what I had to do. However, the reassurance I received from your book did indeed confirm taking control of the situation and I can say that today, I am at peace with the decisions I have made. My first decision was getting out of the dance in order for him to take me serious. In doing so, I also felt the relief of the strees I have been feeling during this 7 year relationship that has put my life on hold for 2 years of trying to get him to acknowledge his drinking problem. I eventually broke up with him 3 months ago.
3 weeks ago he came to me and told me that he can live without drinking, but cannot live without me. Today, we both are seeking the help we need in order to continue on with the relationship. I know that this is only the first step, but the bigger picture to me is knowing that at any time this may not work out. However, my sense of well-being is the most important thing I have to worry about. I will always be there for him, whether we stay together or not, but it is very clear to him that I am not waiting anymore for him to make “our life happen” So I want to thank you very much for your insight. I also wish to tell anyone that finds themselves in a similar situation to please, please, go out and get your book. The answers to your questions, may reveal a better insight to the person in the mirror,
YOURSELF! All I can say is Know the person you are before you try fixing someone else. You may find that you don’t need professional help at all if your willing to be open and honest with yourself. God Bless.
Hi, my dad is an alcoholic (58 years old) and has been since his 20s. About 10 years ago he started having problems with his short-term memory and I believe he has that korsakoff’s psychosis, because he does definitely make up stories with what he thinks probably happened when in fact they didn’t.
My question is, with brain exercises or nutrition, can his memory problem be restored with time (provided he stays off the booze) or is the damage permanent? if so, what kind of brain exercises and things should we be doing with him? (and of course, he doesn’t think he has a memory problem)
Thanks!
Dear Midgy,
Long-term alcohol abuse does cause brain damage, and conventional wisdom says that the damage is permanent.
However, recent research is showing that the brain is much more plastic than we thought. New cells and neural pathways can grow. I suggest you start by reading, “The Brain That Changes Itself: Stories of Personal Triumph from the Frontiers of Brain Science” by Norman Doidge. Get it at Amazon.com.
However, there is another more dismal possibility, and that is early-onset Alzheimer’s Disease. It’s unlikely, but don’t ignore it, because the symptoms are very similar.
Dr. Neill,
My husband relapsed for a few weeks after being sober for two years. While he was drunk he told me he had done something when he was drinking several years ago, but now that he is sober and 7 months of marriage counseling he says he never did this and if he said it he cant remember it. Can this happen?
Hi Kim,
All sorts of mind tricks are possible, however improbable. He probably remembered doing what he told you he did. And he can remember it because, if he remembered it while drinking, he can certainly remember it while sober. However, it is quite possible he can’t remember telling you about it, even though he remembers the incident.
So what you are saying to me is he did what he said he did and is just trying to deny it now?
One other question. Can he speak of events and make them sound like it recently happened and it happened many years ago?
Probably, but nothing is certain.
Yes.
Dr. Neill
First off I’d like to say, this site is great!
My husband of 13yrs is a severe alcoholic. He drinks on the average 40 oz’s a day. He is not in good health. He is having memory blackouts, falling, and now I’ve noticed he stops breathing for up to a count of 7 seconds at a time. He refuses to get help and I’m not sure what to do. I’m terrified I will wake up to find him dead. I stress of it alot and this is not good for me as I have cancer and am tying to live my life to the fullest. I believe he has Cirrhosis but who knows as he refuses to see a Doctor or seek any kind of help. His skin has a yellowish hue but his eyes are not showing any yellow yet. Now don’t get me wrong,, I love my husband but I have kids and I have to look after myself first. Is there anything else I should watch for so I can prepare myself for the outcome that I know is coming?
For Kim:
I’ve heard that you can have a blackout and then not remember anything that happened during your blackout until the next time you are in a similar state i.e. functioning during another blackout. During this time you may be able to recall events from another blackout. No one can tell you’re having a blackout as you can function (somewhat).
I would say that whatever he told Kim really happened but he’s not lying when he says he doesn’t recall it when he’s sober.
Hi Dr Neill,
My dad is a heavy drinker/alcoholic he drinks about 10pints a day he has blackouts or some type of fit where he stops breathing for a few 5-10seconds he doesn’t remember this when he comes around and denies it he also has type 2 diabetes and is paranoid thinks we are talking in other rooms when were not he starts shouting at the smallest of things but he wont get help he says he has told his doc what he drinks but we don’t think it is true he is also on blood pressure medication, we try to tell him to stop drinking but he wont even cut down he shakes and wont talk to people on a morning then when he starts drinking at dinner time after a few cans he starts yelling and doesn’t care who at, i think he wont stop till he is dead and don’t know what to do my mam is getting sick of it too and we are both really worried about him can you please give me some advise some days he looks so gray he doesn’t look like he has long left
Very sad, Andrea. For some unhappy alcoholics, drinking is their way of ending their lives. It may take a few more days…or a few years. All you and you mom can do is look after yourselves emotionally and look after your safety. If that means leaving, then do it.
Dear Doc Neill
Ive just come back from a visit from my brother who has been effectly heavy drinking for 25yrs, he didnt know who I was for the first half an hour, then kept talking to me as if Id just came through the door, he cant remember simple words, hes waiting to be booked into detox, his wife took him to his Doctor a couple of days ago and the Doctor sent him home with paracetomal….Im worried sick, hes been having black outs for a long time prior to this!
His how he cant maintain a conversation now thats worrying me?
My husband is a severe alcoholic averaging a 30 pack of beer every two days if that. After reading your sight, I believe he is a functioning alcoholic. He is always yelling at me and doesn’t ever remember what was said 5 minutes later. It causes a lot of stress. I’ve thought about leaving, but he says he will kill me… Also we have small kids who he adores. He is great with them. Is it the alcohol causing this if he can choose to be horrible to me but be great with them? I don’t understand…
My dad is an alcoholic and I have recently noticed his inability to remember events and conversations, even when sober. I believe his short term memory has been damaged by his addicition, I don’t know what to do or can do seens as he doesn’t want to stop. I have never confronted him about his addicition and so don’t know where to start. He is constantly repeating himself, asking the same questions and forgetting our conversations.His diet is awful, he has been given supplements but has either run out or doesn’t take them, I know this doesn’t help. He is only 44 so I don’t think its anything more sinister. I don’t want him to forget anymore.
Dr. Neill,
I’m having an issue similar to that of Amy’s. My father is 55 and drinks every evening after work, driving home himself afterwards. I constantly worry that something will happen to him or someone else on the road. He often forgets conversations we have had as well as conversations with others. When I remind him of a conversation we had i.e. going out to dinner, he thinks I’m messing with his head and making him look crazy. He does this to his wife and my husband also.
I have never confronted him about his addiction since he tends to make his “problems” look like they’re at the fault of everyone else. My brother died on September 11th, and I never remember him drinking like this before that happened or even shortly after. It has only been in the past 5 years or so that he has been drinking this heavily and I have noticed the symptoms. I have thought repeatedly of having an intervention, but I know he will not cooperate. Something must be done before he hurts himself or others. He has already damaged his family emotionally, but we just keep on assuming that this is how it’s going to be. I cry constantly because of the worry and the pain he puts me through, but I just don’t know where to go from here. Is there anything I can do?
This is a very interesting site. As a one time functioning alcoholic I would say that most of what someone in the midst of a heavy drinking problem says is pretty much garbage. A drinker is in emotional and physical pain and pretty confused about what they actually feel and its not wise to be swayed by what they promise. Actions in the case of a FA speak a lot louder than words and all the protestations about ‘loving’ you should be taken with a huge pinch of salt. In the right state of mind it may well be true but a partner of an alcoholic needs to be objective for the sake of their own sanity. Easier said than done. Rain in my heart on you tube is an excellent eye opener for drinkers and partners alike. It’s living hell.
I am dating someone that fits this functioning alcoholic profile to a T. I have never dated or been around someone that is like that before in the past so this is a new experience for me and of course I am very concerned about it. I noticed the forgetfulness which happens quite frequently with short term memory. Once I brought it up and the person got very upset with me for making a comment that I had just told the person the same information just the day before.
I also noticed that the person seems to look about 5 years older for his actual age. He also mentioned to me that people that have not seem him for the past few years mentioned that he looks much older. Does alcohol have much affect on this? Also, will alcohol eventually cause premature dementia or Alzheimer?
Dr. Neill:
My friend has been abusing alcohol for 30 years. Never a day goes by without her drinking wine. I estimate she is up to, on average, 3 bottles of wine per day. She is functioning in the sense she runs a household and most often doesn’t begin to drink until in the late afternoon. My question is with regards to her recent short term memory loss. I find that we can have a conversation one afternoon and can talk on the phone for an hour about a particular subject. She does not sound “drunk” in that she is not slurring or stammering. That said, the next day she tells me the same things we already discussed and appears to have no recollection of what we discussed.
I have known her long enough that I know what she sounds like when she is “drunk” and it just doesn’t seem like she is in that state. However, the fact is that she completely forgets our hour long discussion. I have to assume this is alcohol related but am confused as to what it means. Can you shed any light on what may be going on? Thanks for your time.
Dr. Neill…Sincere thanks for sharing your expertise with us(spouses/friends of an alcoholic). I have been able to live a separate life in my “marriage”. However, my husband’s memory loss has me at a breaking point. Through your studies, do you believe there will be a time when he will need to be committed to a mental institution? His drinking, after 21 years, has now evolved to every day drunk.
I’m looking forward to a better day!
Thank you again
Mary
I’ve been noticing my partner’s memory loss. I had told him on 6 different occasions about something that he still has no memory of; and he kept asking about the same thing. It’s scary. I’ve been with him going on 5 months now. At first it was fun, since he is a frisky, happy person when he drinks. But, then when I stopped drinking when I’m with him, I noticed another behavior that was scary. For example when I said something he thought was hilarious, he would laugh so hard that he looked like he was in pain and almost crying. That really scared me.
I had the same issue several years ago with my husband and his beer consumption. He had memory loss. He forgot where he was. His blood pressure went through the roof–total confusion. The worst part was he didn’t have any beer yet that day. It took several months and a nearly misdiagnosed permanent disability issue. Not to mention the huge medical bills because they couldn’t find anything because he drank so much and wasn’t eating like he should–drinking more beer.
His body was using the stored b12 and folic acid that you build up and store for 4 yrs. It was completely depleted causing memory loss and the ability to function. He now is supposed to be taking b12 shots to replace the vitamins he lost. But it’s not going to do any good if he continues to drink. Drinking will do many strange things to your body and will eventually destroy brain cells which has happened. Now he has a different personality than when i married him. He drinks even more and thinks he is ok because he knows when he starts feeling off, he takes a shot. Well that’s not the answer. I hope this helps with someplace to start on the issue of his loss.
My husband of 21 years has been drinking almost ever single day of our marriage. He has slowed down his drinking during the week but I estimate that he consumes at least a six pack and possibly up to 8 beers nightly. On the weekend his consumption increases but I can’t say how much since he goes out and drinks and then comes home and drinks.
He is a functional drunk and goes to work everyday etc. He doesn’t seem to think he has a problem since he goes to work daily and helps out around the house. He has tried to stop drinking several times through-out the marriage but has not been able to maintain a long period of sobriety. He also thinks his drinking has no effect on our relationship or sex life. I find it impossible to understand why he doesn’t think I am affected by his behavior!
His family members are big drinkers and look the other way about his drinking so they are no help whatsoever.
I think he passes out on the couch when he has had too much to drink but he says I fell asleep. Also, twice in our marriage he has went to parties and fell asleep ( his words) at the neighbor’s house and stayed over there overnight. He said I should have come and got him if I wanted him to come home – unbelievable.
I am beginning to think his short-term memory is being affected.
He seems to think that because he doesn’t drink hard liquor just beer then he’s not doing damage to his body and of course he doesn’t have a real drinking problem.
I am so sick of hearing the beer tabs pop and him getting up after finishing each beer to crush the can and throw in the recycle bin. He immediately gets another beer and has a death grip on the can- I can’t stand to see him drink anymore and can’t stand the stink of the alcohol.
Needless to say I am at my wits end and the marriage is headed for divorce in the immediate future.
He has begun to make me question whether I have the problem questioning his drinking which is totally crazy!
My partner is only 26. He’s been drinking since he was 17. In the last 3 years he has been drinking 5 out of 7 days, but says its not a problem as he is able to work the next day and dose not always end up drunk. I can’t stop thinking about the effect this is having on his health. He is drinking 14% vol of wine and sometimes with 1 or 2 beers. We have 2 young children so the cost is also an issue.
He is now suffering from memory loss; not when he’s drinking but in everyday life–small things like losing bank cards, car keys etc. He also left his keys in the car 1 night. He’s always tired and now has a pain when eating and drinking at the bottom of his rib cage.
I am out of ideas to try and get him to stop. Its gotten to the point that I am looking for somewhere else for me and my children because the drinking seems more important. I made a list of problems he could suffer due to drinking and also wrote that he spends £2000 or more a year.
I am looking for advise and ways to help him stop and would love to know if his memory problem is the effects of alcohol.
My husband was a functioning Alcoholic for 7yrs. He was sober almost 8months, was doing good, but yesterday he said “I am going to just drink on my days off.” How can he think that is possible? He has a hard time just dealing with everyday stresses. I feel that was an excuse so he can start drinking again. When he became sober he was dependable and it was nice.
Not sure what to do. He knew his drinking was a problem for me. When he was drinking he was forgetful, less active and could not depend on him for anything. My heart is breaking
Sad thing is he is such a kind and caring person. Now I am afraid it will turn into everyday drinking. I believe an alcoholic once sober cannot even have one drink.
My father has been a functional alcoholic for fifty years and had no major health side effects until recently. He just turned 70 and I found out he has been having some memory-loss issues. He passed all the physical and now memory tests with doctors, but he has been forgetting family events. We show him pictures, but he has no memory. The most recent example was an event I was present at and I know for sure he was heavily intoxicated the day and night before the event. He did not drink during the event, but perhaps later that day. Does it make sense that being drunk the night before would cause a memory blackout of the events the next day?
I am so glad I found this site. I don’t feel so alone anymore.
I’ve been married 23 years to a wonderful man, but he drinks at least 10 beers a day and has almost our whole marriage. He will not stop despite my begging and pleading for years. I finally gave up. If he wants to live like that, so be it.
If he doesn’t have his beer, he is in a horrible mood. I want out, but I’m scared if I tell him, he will freak out. He stutters horribly now and his short term memory is awful. He will leave the room only to come back and ask me what it was I wanted and I never wanted anything to begin with.
I hear the same stories over and over, day after day. I just keep my mouth shut. I used to say, “We’ve had this conversation”, but he gives me the “no we didn’t look”. I ofter wonder how much time he has left before he will be living in a nursing home. He is only 42 years old.
Hello. My father is an alcoholic and he claims he wants to stop, but how should we handle this? Should he lower the amount of alcohol consumed until he can be normal?
I have read all the letters and sounds just like my husband of 18 years. He drinks everyday of his life for the past 14 years. His face is even turning purple, but he wont stop or admit he has a problem. He gets very angry when I tell him.
I don’t know what to do anymore. Does anybody have a suggestion?
His memory is becoming bad to the point where he is always losing his keys or wallet, etc. How can I help him?
My mom’s been an alcoholic since before I was born. She often yells at me or tries to fight me or something else messed up and then she forgets she did it literally 5 minutes later and claims that I make these things up to use against her. It’s quite sad to see her brain so clearly damaged. At least I’ll be 18 soon and I can escape this.